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    Default Thinkin about a new (used) truck. Need opinions

    I've almost always been a Mopar guy; but over the decades; I've owned a couple of Fords, and 1 GMC as well. I've had a Dodge Ram twice. A 4.7 litre 03' and a 5.7 Hemi 06; both half tons. Although I liked both of the trucks; (especially the Hemi) the suspension just is very limited for towing and hauling. I'd like to step up to 3/4 ton and a deisle motor. The Dodge Cummins motor is rated very good, dependable, and torquey. Buy I don't want to limit myself by always owning a Dodge. The Fords I've had in the past have been good; but they were gas motors. Same with the GMC. So although I have had a few to compare to; I haven't any experience with the diesle motors. I need dependability; gas mileage; and power for hauling a camper or 5th wheel. I know with a big powerstroke motor; you can basically pull your house right off it's foundation, but with that kind of torque; your mileage drops to 7 gallons per mile . I don't know anything much about the Duramax motors other than my neighbor has one that he loves. I realise this will probably boil down to personal feelings and dedication to a certain make; but try to be as objective as you can about what make you feel is best. I'm looking at 03' - 07' trucks as that is more in my price range. Right now I'm leaning toward the Cummins so far.

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    Chilly,

    Figure out what it is you're going to be pulling first.

    Just my .02 worth, because you may wind up buying more than what you need. If you don't have the campers yet and aren't going to get one for a year or so, just put some Firestone Ride-rite air bags under your 1500 Ram. They are only $250 and easy to install...

    I've had them all too, and currently have a Chevy 1/2 ton Z71 with the 5.3L Vortec. Engine/power train run very well, but I'm not impressed with the truck. I'd rather drive a dodge. I did have a 2008 Crew Max Tundra before this, and not much will compare to that truck in my mind. Almost 400HP and 22MPG on the highway. If I remember correctly it got 13 pulling my 10,000lb toy hauler like nothing!

    You checked the price of diesel lately??? yea, I know, but that 6.7L Cummins is a workhorse!

    Keep an open mind, you'll hear lots of other opinions.

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    Thanks Pete; Yeah; but my truck is startin to have some problems lately; and the Hemi just isn't a good "towing" motor. Even just pulling sleds up to Batchy it bogs down. Last summer pulling my side by side over the Santiam pass coming back from the coast; it had a hard time; and thats only 2000 lbs including the trailer. I guess up until 06; the Cummins motor was only a 5.7 inline 6 thats supposed to be bullet proof and gets 22 mpg. My Hemi gets only 14 average. I'd love to able to pull an enclosed trailer eventually and have a camper as well. (or a 5th wheel)

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    I drive an 05 GMC diesel that I love! Kind of like a Cadillac but in a truck body. Remote start, heated leather, blah, blah,blah. My husband drives a Dodge Cummins that he swears he likes to tow better with. We haul a 28ft travel trailer with a 14 ft. slide that is fairly heavy with my truck and my mileage drops from around 21 on the highway to about 14 on the highway or 12 up the mountain. His older Dodge gets about 19mpg and barely drops even when he tows his backhoe. But it also rides like a truck!

    Diesel here in the Burg is around 3.85 at the lowest but it's nothing compared to over 5.00 per gallon a couple years ago when I considered riding a Moped around town!!

    I prefer mine, he prefers his. Not much help here!!

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    Thanks Diva; Actually it is of some help. I suppose these days the big 3 are all putting out good equipment. Thats what makes it hard to decide. I had my eye on am 04' Ford crewcab dually that had the big Powerstroke motor in it. The sales guy even pointed out that it is a "puller". But you only get like 10 MPG whereas the small Cummins can get really good MPG. With a chip; that would even enhance the performance.....or mileage depending on how you dial it in. Still leaning toward the Dodge so far.

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    I have a 2002 Duramax, best fuel mileage I have gotten is 23. Worst was when pulling my 4-sled trailer up 58 from Salem to Kfalls and dropped to about 13. If I would have been going slower, it probably would have been a bit better. It also starts better than any of the Fords out there and a bit better than the Cummins. We call the extension cords plugged into the outlets outside "Ford Life Support" for a reason I never plug mine in and it starts every time.

    Stay away from the Ford 6.0 L diesels. Those are the worst engine ever made by anybody (well, except that idiot gas-converted into a diesel GM put in the Eldorado and some of their pickups a ways back.) The 7.3 Ford was bulletproof; the 6.0 has driven many happy Ford drivers to other manufacturers. What a piece of garbage.

    Newer Dodges are really nice, the extended supercab models have enough room in the back for storage behind the rear seat and lots of leg room too. I have always been impressed by Cummins engines, although all the manufacturers have had their issues. Fit and finish for Dodge used to be hit and miss, but it sure seems to have improved in their newer offerings.

    When diesel was less than gas, it made sense to buy a diesel engine, even though there was more expense to buying the engine/transmission. Now with gas so much less than diesel, you really can't pencil it out for money-saving. I would buy another diesel only if I had something big to pull frequently. It doesn't make sense otherwise. My .02

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    Chilly,
    I have a 04 F350 with the 6.0 and I love it. The bodies and cabs of the ford are hard to beat.

    Your range from 04-07 would be all 6.0s for the ford. The 6.0 is a great motor, but there's a few hitches about it.. Here's a great write up about what goes on, why and ways to fix it : http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/general-6-0l-discussion/204386-write-up-bullet-proofing-6-0l-psd.html

    I get between 14-17mpg empty stock and between 15-20mpg when I have my truck tuned.
    The 07 fords were the least troublesome, but there can be some good 04-06 deals out there if you know what to look out for.

    Dodge had the 5.9 in the 12 valve and 24 valve versions. I like the 24V myself , good HP/TQ and can be modded to make more even better than the 12V. Both versions get good MPGs. I personally just don't like the fit and finish of the dodges, plus they don't have a true long bed crew cab.

    In the end it's personal preference, but do as much homework as you can about all of them.

    If you have any questions about the fords, feel free to ask away and I'll answer what I can, find the answer or shoot you in the right direction

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    This sledding hobby is beginning to get really expensive isn't it?

    Reminder: Don't discount the new Tundra's, excellent comfort/ergo's, powerful, and TOUGH!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BCDan View Post
    Stay away from the Ford 6.0 L diesels. Those are the worst engine ever made by anybody (well, except that idiot gas-converted into a diesel GM put in the Eldorado and some of their pickups a ways back.) The 7.3 Ford was bulletproof; the 6.0 has driven many happy Ford drivers to other manufacturers. What a piece of garbage.
    Not quite true BC! It was one of the best motors made BUT there are a few things people need to know about one. I own one and love the sick liter. I own a 2003.5... First of the 6.0's. If you do a 6.0, you can not neglect the maintenance at all! If you do neglect the maintenance, DONT BUY ONE. Also People are miss in formed. When you buy filters.... Use OEM Filters (Motorcraft or IH)ONLY! One of the biggest mistakes people made. 6.0 are built really tight compared to 7.3. Here is a video for you.



    A little history of the 6.0



    But with ANY Diesel.... You need to do the maintenance to them. No matter what!
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    Also for your info Ken. Mine is lifted with 35's on it. I get 18mpg on the highway empty and 12~14 In town. Towing my 26' enclosed trailer with 4 to 5 sleds, gas and all the gear with 4 to 5 guys in the p/u with it in 4 wheel drive, I get 12-14 on the Highway loaded. Doing about 55-60mph. JMHO



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    buy a cummins

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    Aww Bill Hewitt.. He has a few good points, but some of his ideas are off the wall.
    Racor filters can also be used since they manufacture for ford.
    Dieselfiltersonline.com has some really good prices on filters for all the makes
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    True Diesel Dog. I forgot about Racon... But he does have some good points. He is a little goofy. Look @ me though...LOL
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    Dang CJ!!! That is a sweet rig! Is that a long bed?

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    I haven't met you yet, so I'll hold off in the goofy comments until afterward...haha.
    But I do agree with some of his points, but I do feel that he's wrong in how the 6.0 EGR coolers and head gaskets fail.

    I actually just got my FICM back from being repaired today and installed it back into the truck and she runs like a dream now! I'll have to keep an eye out for your truck around town. I think I have the only charcoal grey truck in town so I'm not too hard to spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChillyKen View Post
    Dang CJ!!! That is a sweet rig! Is that a long bed?
    Thanks Ken! I bought it up in Bend 4th of July weekend of '08. Its been a great truck with no issues. I do have it chipped and a cold air on it. Next is a EGR delete ans a Dual 4" exhaust on it! I'll post pictures when I do... It is a Long bed by the way.


    Quote Originally Posted by DieselDog81 View Post
    I haven't met you yet, so I'll hold off in the goofy comments until afterward...haha.
    But I do agree with some of his points, but I do feel that he's wrong in how the 6.0 EGR coolers and head gaskets fail.

    I actually just got my FICM back from being repaired today and installed it back into the truck and she runs like a dream now! I'll have to keep an eye out for your truck around town. I think I have the only charcoal grey truck in town so I'm not too hard to spot.
    I'm sure we will. You cant miss me. I have an old H2OREON.COM Black sticker on the driver side and a "Snowmobiling is not a crime" on the passenger side. You'll see it from the 97 Bypass near the theater in town. I got to get my little Diesel Escort done and pull in the Green Beast to do some work to it! LOL
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    Here is a Q for you Ken and it may make up your mind too! Are you only going to tow with it all the time? Or is it 50/50 (tow/intown), 25/75? And how much weight? Be honest here with us....
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    If you need a hand working on your truck, I'd be more than willing to help out. I took my truck to Bradleys to have the EGR delete, studs, head gaskets an all that jazz done. Good guys, but I would've rather done it myself but didn't have any tools at the time. I'm all set now, I just don't have any torque wrenches which are in the near future for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselDog81 View Post
    If you need a hand working on your truck, I'd be more than willing to help out. I took my truck to Bradleys to have the EGR delete, studs, head gaskets an all that jazz done. Good guys, but I would've rather done it myself but didn't have any tools at the time. I'm all set now, I just don't have any torque wrenches which are in the near future for me
    I might LOL. I havent tackled a newer diesel yet! But I'm going too. I have most of the tools to include a 10,000lbs 2 Post hoist.

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    Yeah, I'm drooling all over myself right now.. That would make work a lot easier if you were thinking about pulling the cab. Lol. Although it's not needed to do just a EGR delete and exhaust

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